AE 347 – An Interview With Canguro English: An Aussie English Teacher In Spain

In this episode of Aussie English I interview Christian from Canguro English about moving to Spain and becoming an English teacher.

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AE 347 – Interview With Canguro English:
An Australian English Teacher In Spain

G’day guys. Welcome to this episode of Aussie English. How ya going? What’s been going on? I hope you guys have been going well and enjoying your week. It’s a Wednesday, and I think I’m going to try and release interview episodes each and every Wednesday. So, today’s episode is with Christian from Canguro English. If you don’t know Canguro English, definitely do a search for it on YouTube. The links will be below, but it’s C-A-N-G-U-R-O English. So, Canguro there I think is spelt the Spanish way. But, Christian is an absolutely amazing online teacher. He has his own academy in Spain, in Galicia, I believe. And we have a really good chat today about him, where he was born in Australia, what happened when he moved to Europe, he moved to Spain, and we also get into the nitty-gritty of teaching English as well as learning English. And there’s some really good stuff in there on confidence and how to speak more confidently. So, I know that you guys are going to get a lot out of this interview. Sit back, grab some food, grab a drink, grab a cuppa, get some tea, get some coffee, and enjoy today’s interview, guys. Let’s go!

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The Interview:

Pete: All right. Christian, thank you for joining me, man. Christian from Canguro English. Welcome to the Aussie English Podcast.

Christian: Hello. It’s a pleasure to be here. Thank you very much for inviting me. I appreciate it.

Pete: No, no, no. I’ve been dying to get you on for a while. I guess, let’s just start from the start. Tell me about you and just tell me your story. Give me the story in a nutshell. I think it’s going to be a good ride.

Christian:If only my wife thought so. OK. The story. OK. So, I was I was born in Perth in Australia, and when I was 20 years old I met this English girl who was backpacking in Australia, and she had a one year visa, and when that visa expired she had to leave Australia and go back to England. And so, I had to make a decision. I had to make a decision to either stay in Australia and say goodbye to her or go with her. So, for the first time in my life I packed a suitcase and left and went to England. And, you know, for me, you know, coming from Perth, which at that time was quite a small, you know, small sort of city, and then arriving in London was a big shock. And I remember the first morning after I arrived, I opened the windows, because I arrived at night, and in the morning, open the windows and I turned to my girlfriend, and I said to her, “What’s that grey thing in the sky? What is all that?”. She said, “That’s clouds, Christian, clouds.”. But, because all of my life I had only ever seen white fluffy clouds. And… but this was… I called it the sheet of grey. It was just a continuous, just grey cloud that just stretched to infinity, and I’d never seen anything like it.

Pete: That’s crazy.

Christian:And then, so basically… yeah it was… And, you know, it was a continuing feature of life in England. So, I lived… we lived together in England for seven years, and then after that we moved around a lot. We went back to Australia. And then in 2010, we came here to Spain, which is where I now live and work as an English teacher with my own academy. I mean, the story of how I actually started teaching English is a bit, I don’t know, one of those… you know, one of those happy accidents in life. I was… we decided to buy a house. It was a ruin, and absolute ruin of a house that had four walls, basically.

Pete: No roof.

Christian:And we decided… no. Well, it had a roof, but not a roof as you and I know it, Pete. It was more of a rustic… just… I think it was actually asbestos. I’m probably going to die simply from being near it.

Pete: So, did you just trade it for a tarp, did you? A tarpaulin.

Christian:Well, actually, no. We… because we just… we bought this house and we decided to renovate it. So then, we lived in a caravan for… during the renovations. And so, we were living in this caravan and then one night this set of headlights came down the driveway, and we were like, you know, what is this? Who is this person? I think, ’cause it was Spain. It was really late. And, in Spain people will come and visit you at 11 o’clock at night. No problems, you know.

Pete: Are they going to take our walls?

Christian:Damn gypsies! Taking the walls! And so yeah, and so these headlights came down the driveway, a guy came and knocked on the door of the caravan, and said, “Hey! I heard that you’re English. I need your help, because I’m going to work on a boat as a… I don’t know, some sort of technician on a boat. And I need to improve my English. So, can you help me?”. And that was it. And so, I helped this guy with… you know, and I knew nothing about the English language.

Pete: Well except for the fact that you were an expert in using it.

Christian:Well, this is the thing, and you know, this is a thing as well, and I know that this is off topic, but, you know, there are a lot of teachers out there who are not native speakers, who are incredible teachers, you know, and they are discriminated against simply because they’re not native speakers, you know.

Pete: That’s the thing though. I mean I had a story like that when I… This is an embarrassing admission. I used to do fencing.

Christian:Excellent. Tell us!

Pete: I used to do fencing when I was in high school, right? So, I was training to be.

Christian:Wait a second. Do you mean fencing like with swords or putting up fences?

Pete: No with swords. Yeah, so, I used to do some sword fighting, although it’s not as sexy and romantic as it sounds. But, I remember having a really average teacher who didn’t… he wasn’t that skilled, but he was amazing at teaching. And then, I also had once a lesson from someone who was a Commonwealth champion, and it was the worst lesson I’d ever had, because she just… she could do it but she couldn’t tell me how!

Christian:Yeah, well that… and that’s the thing. And, you know, there are so many students out there, and all they want is a native speaker. But I was the same as you. You know, I have met so many native speakers who are terrible teachers, you know. Just speaking the language does not qualify you to teach it.

Pete: That’s it. I think the only thing that makes me a good teacher is that I am ready to say that I don’t know. Quite often. And then I’ll go find out.

Christian:That’s the… first step to enlightenment is ignorance, absolutely.

Pete: Hi, I’m Pete. I’m an alcoholic, and my English average.

Christian:I actually have a special technique, because, you know, every now and again a student asks me a question that… and I have no idea. You know. Yeah, I have no idea why. And sometimes I say, “I have no idea”, but, you know, at the end of the day we’re… you know, I’m running a business. It’s like maybe the first class or the second class, I can’t appear to be somebody who doesn’t know what they’re talking about. So, I say, “Listen, it’s complicated. I don’t have time to teach that right. We’ll do it in the next class.” And then when they leave, I can I went to Google and say, “What the hell.

Pete: That’s it. The next day they see you, you know, you haven’t had any sleep. You’ve got everything written down. You’re like, “It’s ok. I can answer your question.”

Christian:But now I understand the subjunctive in English perfectly.

Pete: I know, but that’s one of those things. It’s the funniest thing because it’s like… it’s… I think students prefer that too, because it’s honesty, and they can see that you’re a real person, and that you are… you know, you’re not trying to put on a facade of being an all-knowing magician. And then also, that you can then go away and use that as a reason to work it out and then better learn yourself as a result of having to look it up and understand it.

Christian:Absolutely. Yeah, look, absolutely, I mean, you know, every time someone asks me a question and I don’t know the answer, you know, I’m learning something. And yeah, it’s impossible… I mean, ’cause I’ve been making YouTube classes for two and a half years, and when I look back at some of my old classes, occasionally, if someone leaves a comment and says why is that like that?

Pete: Don’t do it. Don’t do it, man.

Christian:…and I look at the class and I don’t remember… Well, there’s that. But, I don’t remember some of the things that I taught in those classes, because, you know, it’s not something that you teach all the time, you know, you forget it.

Pete: Yeah.

Christian:And you’re right, you know, we’re not all-knowing major, you know. There’s a limited to the amount of things that a person can sort of know I think.

Pete: I know. Well, and that’s the beauty of it, right? And yeah, you have to keep reminding yourself of all these things, and keep them fresh in your memory. And that’s… I found the same thing. As soon as I started doing the live streaming… And I think it was inspired because of your classes. I only did it… (I) started a few months here on Facebook. But, all of a sudden, I had this question and answer time and I was like… the first time that happened I was crapping myself. Thinking… I’m like, they’re going to ask something that’s going to be… seem so simple, and I’m going to be there like, “Ehhh!?”.

Christian:Well look, I mean, it’s nerve racking. But yeah, throw yourself in the deep end, and it’s the fastest way to learn and.

Pete: Sink or swim.

Christian:It’s like you say some… sink or swim. People will ask you a question you don’t know, you find out, and then you know for next time.

Pete: Exactly. Exactly. So, how did you…

Christian:Yeah, so my…

Pete: You go.

Christian:Well yeah, I was just saying that, you know, my introduction into the world of teaching was just a happy accident, because I discovered something that I’m, you know, that I know now that I want to do for the rest of my life, purely by chance, you know.

Pete: It’s funny how that ends up, right? Like, I had the same thing happen with everyone asking me, “but you’ve just, you know, finished all this university study. Why aren’t you going to continue that?”. And it’s kind of like, ’cause it doesn’t fulfil me the same way that this does. And I don’t regret going through all of that because it led me here. If I didn’t do all those things I wouldn’t be doing what I’m doing. So, you know.

Christian:Exactly. It’s like, every decision in your life that you’ve made until now has led you to this point, you know?

Pete: Exactly.

Christian:And you know, there’s so many people out there that I think that are unhappy in their lives because they’re afraid to sort of, you know, to make a decision that might be against everything that they’ve done. But if you’re listening to this and you’re sort of not happy and, you know, you’re not sure what to do with your life, you know, I really encourage you to just keep trying different things, and just hope that one day, you know, you do come across something that you love. And, you know, that can change your life.

Pete: That’s it. Especially, when it helps other people at the same time. Far out.

Christian:Yeah, exactly. Exactly. And that could be fencing with a sword or fencing with actual fences, you know?

Pete: Yeah, that’s it.

Christian:I mean how many… I’m sorry.

Pete: No, you go, you go.

Christian:Well, I mean, How many different jobs have you sort of had in your life.

Pete: I’ve never actually had a full time job. So, I’ve been studying for the last.

Christian:Awesome!

Christian:Yeah, I know. Well, that’s it. My… I was sort of freaking out about it. I just had on my PhD in three months ago, and I’m waiting for it to come back. And, was sort of at that point of my supervisor having all these plans for me, and being like, “Well, we’ll hook you up with this, and we’ll get you a job in France, and you could do this”, and I’m kind of like, “Ehh… It’s not really where I see myself to be honest.” But, like terrified at the same time as telling him. And I remember asking my dad. I was like, “Dad, what do you reckon I should do? Like, I’ve started this Aussie English thing. I’m absolutely, you know, in love with doing that. And I could spend 18 hours a day doing this for free, and I enjoy it. Whereas, doing two hours of research kills me. And dad’s like, “Haven’t you worked it out yet, Pete? You are not the nine to five kind of dude.

Christian:Well, that is the thing, you know, I mean people… the same as you, you know, people say to me, you know, you have to stop sometimes. You have to just, you know, take a break and relax. But, if you love it, like if it’s your passion, then that is leisure for you. You know, that is relaxing and fun, and.

Pete: That’s it. You want me to take a break and be stressed out?!

Christian:‘Cause then I’ll have to clean the house, and, you know, that much worse than just learning about things, you know?

Pete: Exactly. So, what happened? After the guy obviously came and asked you for help, what was the link between that and then leading all the way up to you having the academy open and be teaching full-time.

Christian:Well, when… ’cause I live in the north of Spain, OK? So, when people think of Spain they think of, like, flamenco dancing, and, you know, Paco de Lucía playing the guitar, and sort of really hot weather, and beaches. But I live in the north. I live in the Ireland of Europe, basically. It really green and hilly, and there’s a really long winters with lots of snow, and because they were invaded by the Celts, then they have basically something which is identical to Irish dancing. But, instead of holding your arms down by your side, you hold your arms up in the air. But apart from that, it’s the same as like Michael Flatley in Spanish, right? Yeah. and they play the accordion they have a special type of accordion called the Gaita, which is, you know, this same. So, it’s like Ireland in Europe. And so, living in a place like this is like, compared to living in Australia, is like going back 30 years. So my.

Pete: Don’t tell them that.

Christian:????? is not. No, but like in a… OK, not in a… in some ways, absolutely, literally 30 years, but in other ways, I’m talking about, more about the sort of structure of society. So, people don’t do marketing, you know, online. No one has a website here. No one even really has business (cards)… cards. Yeah, no one has business

Pete: Still using stone tools?

Christian:Yeah. No one has business cards. It takes forever to write a letter.

Pete: They’re still living in that time where people know their neighbours, are they? They still know their neighbours, and…

Christian:Yeah, I mean, the word of mouth is incredible. Like, you know, marketing is done, you know, word of mouth. So within… sort of within a month of teaching this sort of guy, word had spread that there was an, you know, a native English person doing classes. And, so, soon I was starting to teach some more children from the area. And then we decided to open a small little, like, school in the nearest town to us, which has a much bigger population, ’cause we live right out in the country. Like, all of our neighbours are cows, basically.

Pete: And, their English is horrible, so you’ve got a lot of work.

Christian:It is horrible. Although, if you moo at a cow, it does actually moo back at you.

Pete: So, they’re polite cows.

Christian:I don’t know if they do that all over the world. If someone could test this. If someone, you know, in… maybe we can ask, you know, Adriana in Croatia if she can moo at some cows and see if they move back.

Pete: And see if there’s some societal differences.

Christian:Yeah. So then, I opened a small school, and we used to teach… I remember, I used to get super excited when we had six children. I was like, “Wow! We got six children, it’s incredible!” But now, yeah, now we teach anyone… anybody from sort of 2-years-old up to up to 99 and beyond.

Pete: Far out. And beyond?

Christian:And yeah, we teach… Well, no. I’ve never had anyone that old. But I’d be absolutely willing to do it.

Pete: (The) door’s open. Door’s open.

Christian:Doors open. If you’re over 99. I will teach you absolutely for free. Yes. So, now we teach hundreds of children and, you know, we have massive groups of adults, and yeah living the dream really, living the dream.

Pete: Wow. So, what is it like for Spanish speakers in the north of Spain coming to class and learning English? What are the difficulties that they face and are they… do they all have the same issues or is it always a different story with every single person that comes in?

Christian:I think, strangely enough, the problems are always the same, you know? And that’s something which I’ve been… which I’ve realised from doing life classes on YouTube and also doing my sort of.. my Facebook group where people can ask me questions, I realised that actually learners have pretty much, you know, the same problems all over the world, you know, as far as I can see.

Pete: Phrasal verbs.

Christian:But… Phrasal verbs, prepositions, confidence issues, you know, things like this. You know, I think it’s a universal experience. But, you know, specifically for Spanish speakers, something which is really odd and really frustrating for me is that they always have excellent grammar. You know, the way the Spanish education system works is it’s very heavily based on sort of teaching the technical aspects of the language. But, you know, students can go all the way through primary school, high school, and never actually just have a conversation. So, you know, you have students who can explain to me rules that I don’t even know about how English works, but, you know, I have difficulty introducing themselves… …fight against that.

Pete: Sorry, you dropped out there for a sec. What did you say, sorry?

Christian:I mean. And so I fight, you know, every day I sort of fight to convince people that actually grammar is just a part of language. You know, grammar is sort of 20% of the language, and the rest of it is all the other stuff. You know, vocabulary, confidence, you know, just being able to express yourself is sort of… is the key.

Pete: So, if you had someone like this come to you right now… Sorry to interrupt you, and say, “I’m great at grammar. I’ve nailed this. I know grammar back-the-front, but I suck at speaking. I suck at communicating.”, what would be your advice for that person as to how to overcome those issues as of today?

Christian:Well, I would say to that person, “Look. You know, congratulations because now I can save… We can save a lot of time, because now we don’t have to do any grammar. It’s done. You know, right now, you know all of the grammar that you ever need to know. So, that work is done. Congratulations. But, you know, I want you to realise that the only people who really need to know that much grammar are linguists, people who are going to actually use language as you know as it’s something to study. But, you know, we’ve had language for at least 65000 years.

Pete: Longer than that.

Christian:Yeah, and for a lot of that time, you know, it wasn’t written down even. (It) wasn’t even written down. It was only a tool for oral communication. And we’ve only been actually understanding and teaching grammar for, you know, a few hundred years. So, you know, let’s just remember for a moment why language exists, which is so that we can communicate with each other, express ideas, have conversations, laugh, cry, you know, fall in love. So, you know, the grammar’s done. Now let’s focus on that. So, tell me a story. You know, let’s have a conversation about something you’re passionate about. Let’s find out, you know, what you can do if you now go to Australia for a holiday, you know? Can you do all the things you want to do? Can you go to the supermarket? And can you buy a beer?

Pete: That’s it. He doesn’t care if you get the grammar right. He just wants to know, you know, what are you getting and how much money do you have to pay for it?

Christian:Yeah exactly. So, I would… and, you know, if that was my student I would never get a grammar sheet out ever again. We would just spend our time talking learning vocabulary, things like that, yeah.

Pete: And so, what would you say to the student who comes to you and says that they have confidence issues? ‘Cause this is… this just seems to be a universal trait that even I experience as someone who teaches a language, but likes learning languages. What can they do to build confidence or overcome confidence issues?

Christian:You know, I think that there’s two aspects, right? Because some people are naturally just not confident people. And that’s you know in their own native language as well, maybe they struggle, you know, to speak to people in public. And so, there’s that, you know, there’s one aspect, which maybe it’s your personality and that’s not going to really change just because you’re speaking in English, but if you’re… if you have confidence issues only when you speak in English, you know, I just want to remind you that really nobody cares. If you speak English really badly, nobody cares. And if you speak English really well, nobody cares, because all people want to do is just be able to communicate with you.

Pete: That’s it. It’s almost like the better you speak it, the less they care, because they don’t even notice. No one walks up to me and says, “Great job! Your English is phenomenal.

Christian:Exactly. And, you know, sometimes it’s worse. You know, for me the analogy is that… ’cause I’m a person who in my day to day life, you know, I don’t really take great pride in my personal appearance. Like, you know, I don’t care really about shaving everyday or how my hair is or what clothes I wear.

Pete: Showers, once a week. Yeah.

Christian:Showers, you know, optional. So, what it means is when I do put on… when I do take the time to, you know, wear something really nice and make myself look good, people are like, “Wow! He looks amazing.

Pete: That’s a sneaky trick.

Christian:A sneaky trick. But if you’re a person who looks great every day and one day people see, you know, with hair dishevelled terrible clothes, and they think, “Oh my god! What’s happened to him.

Pete: Are you homeless?

Christian:And it’s like with your English. You know, you have to… if your English is really good and you have a bad day, it’s worse. You want to have bad English and have a good day. People appreciate that more.

Pete: I’m going to have to start mixing it up. I’m going to have to start mixing it up. You know, start having some off days so I start getting some compliments.

Christian:I mean, really, nobody cares. Nobody cares. You know, all people want to do is communicate with you. And, like for example, I remember 10 years ago, I went on holiday in Egypt and I had a Lonely Planet, and in the back of the Lonely Planet was, you know, the little phrasebook, maybe 50 different phrases in Arabic. And they were simple things. Hello, good morning, how are you? please, and thank you, and I can’t remember the other things. And, I memorised maybe 10 or 15 of these phrases, and, you know, the people were just blown away. And it’s just something so simple. And, so, you know… that requires such little effort for such a great reward. So, you know, if you’re a person who can actually have even a most… the most basic conversation in English, then, you know, that blows me away, to get that far even. And I know that that blows other people away that other people appreciate it so much, you know, when you can even do the most basic thing. So, just, you know, look at the positive side I would say. That’s the key to confidence.

Pete: That’s it. I think you’re right. I think you just have to remember why you’re doing it. You’re there to communicate, and people like your enthusiasm. If you’re keen to really get across to the other person you don’t need to be correct for them to understand. I remember being in France when I was a teenager and I was a French student there with the class, and this guy chatted to us for like two hours, and I didn’t understand like 80 percent of what he was saying, but he just did it, because every now and then, you know, shined through, and I was like, “Oh! I actually understood what he said”, you know? And so, you still have a good time. He’s not there thinking, “God! These guys are idiots!”. Like,…

Christian:Well exactly. And isn’t that just magical when you do get that 20 percent? It’s like, “I understood what he said!”, you know.

Pete: That’s it. Exactly. Exactly. And you have to keep feeding off that. Keep reminding yourself of why you’re doing it and what your ultimate goal is. And if it’s a.

Christian:Yeah exactly.

Pete: So that’s… yeah, that’s it.

Christian:Yeah, and, you know, I think know objective-based goals. You know, goals should be, “Can I…”, you know, “Can I…”, for example, “Can I go to the supermarket?”, “Can I order in a restaurant?”, you know? A goal shouldn’t be, you know, “Can I control the Present Simple perfectly?”, ’cause nobody cares about that.

Pete: Exactly, and well, with grammar my sort of, you know, motto is always learn the rules to forget them if you cannot learn them at all. Like, to do it, but just learn to do it so that you don’t have to think about it anymore, so that you can just ignore it and move on. And.

Christian:Yeah, I mean, you know, yeah, learning grammar is an essential part of the learning process. You know, you have to do it, but it’s not 100% of it, it’s just a part of it.

Pete: Exactly. And don’t focus on all of it, right? Like, I think, one of the other things I’m really always keen to tell people that I teach privately, I’m always like, “Just find your holes in…” like I imagine you putting your language together as a spider web that you’re trying to make consistent so that it catches any insect that comes by, right? Any insect that’s a conversation. And if you fill in your holes, which are unique to you, you know, you’re going to strengthen it, but you’ve got to identify where they are, and if they’re grammatical you just find whatever that issue is. Look it up. Sort it out. Move on. And then, you know, don’t just read an entire book or focus 100% on just learning every rule. You probably get 80% of it correct as it is.

Christian:I agree with you 100%. I think that’s a great analogy. The spider web. You know, and a good teacher can listen to you speaking and say, “Right. Well, I can see you have a problem with”, I don’t know, “Present Perfect just Past Simple”, or “I can see that you have a problem with using the Passive”, and you just focus on that and the other stuff you don’t need to do, you know?

Pete: Exactly. And then, you’ll be like we’ll get to the other stuff in the future. We’ll reassess finding the problems whenever they pop up.

Christian:Yeah exactly.

Pete: So, what’s next for you and, Christian, with Canguro English? What’s the next few steps before the world’s taken over and everyone’s fluent in Australian English?

Christian:Oh, I think that I am, you know, in general I’m sort of disappointed with a lot of what I see as far as teachers and teaching materials. And I think that is actually what motivates me to sort of do what I do, because, like, you know, when I see, you know, teachers on YouTube spreading misinformation or I see yet another, you know, yet another grammar book, you know, with the same old things that just doesn’t work and doesn’t inspire students.

Pete: Are you the one who’s been on my channel giving me down votes? Is that’s what’s been happening?

Christian:No, but you’re… you know, you’re the opposite of that, you know? You’re like a person (where) it’s all about functional language and about… more… and about also more, you know, the learning process, like how to learn. Like, I watched your video about the Pareto Principle, you know, 20 percent of your sort of effort gives you 80 percent of the reward. You know, these kind of, you know, more… it’s almost like not only do I… you know, you need to teach your students English, you have to teach them how to learn, you know, and about the learning process.

Pete: Exactly.

Christian:But, you know, I think what’s next is I would, you know, I would like to see… I would like to see a lot of change in the world of English as a second language teaching. And I’m going to push for that, you know.

Pete: So, for the English teachers potentially listening, I know there’s going to be so many of them, but and I mean, and for selfish reasons as well, what is your advice for someone who wants to be a successful and useful Internet English teacher using the resources that we have today?

Christian:Yeah, I think we… you know, the world, the Internet has had enough of… has had enough of the same old thing, like there’s enough grammar classes on YouTube for the rest of time, you know? I’m sure a normal person couldn’t even watch all those grammar classes. And, you know, there’s enough classes out there about, you know, phrasal verbs with this and that. And there’s a lot of that. You know, I would like to see more teachers just…Man, I kind of lost my I kind of lost my mojo for a second.

Pete: Your train of thought?

Christian:No, not my train of thought. I lost my… I sort of went… I went too deep into myself and I messed it up.

Pete: You’re all good.

Christian:OK. Let me start my answer again, ’cause I don’t know where I was going with that particular thing.

Pete: Go for it. Hit restart, hit restart.

Christian:Yeah, ok. Hit restart! Ok. Yeah, look, I think, I would like to see more teachers fighting back… I know that a lot of teachers are in a difficult situation where, you know, they have to fulfil the curriculum of a school. And, you know, so the administration tells (them), “Alright you have to do the book. We’re going to do these exams.” And, you know, that’s what you have to do and you’re under pressure to do that. And also, you know, a lot of teachers all around the world are not in an ideal situation. You know, maybe they have big class sizes or they have students who are not motivated or maybe they just don’t have any resources. And so, you know, there’s a lot of teachers around the world who are in extremely difficult situations. But, you know, I just want to say to them it might seem radical, but it’s really the opposite of radical. Just remember every day that, you know, your students in the future will actually have to do something with their English that’s practical. Like, in the future if they go to a job interview the person interviewing them is not going to care if they have the Cambridge First Certificate. They’re going to actually want to speak to them and hear that they can actually have a proper conversation, that they can deal with their clients, that they can do that stuff. So, I think your job as a teacher is to make sure that when they actually leave your class that, you know, that they actually have real skills that they can use, and, you know, all the other stuff. You know, it doesn’t matter, and actually at the end of the day it doesn’t help the students. So, you know, I know that you have to do the books, I know you have to do the exams, but just remember that the reason we have language is to express ourselves, is to communicate, and just really try every day to give your students that power, because that’s what’s going to serve them in the future. And all of this other stuff that everyone seems to care so much about, it doesn’t mean anything.

Pete: I think that’s a good point to end. And, that was a good point to make. I don’t know where to follow on with that.

Christian:Yeah, look, I don’t… I’m sorry it was heavy.

Pete: Don’t apologise it was awesome. That was good. So, I mean, where can all the listeners find out more about you and take their English to the next level using your resources, Christian?

Christian:Yeah, look, I have a YouTube channel, Canguro English. I have a Facebook group where people can come and I answer their questions, and they can post videos. And also, like, I don’t have any courses. Like, I recommend that, ’cause, you know, you have courses with materials, and, you know, I recommend that people if they want to do a structured course, they should definitely, you know, look at your stuff, because it’s, you know, it’s great stuff. And, I think Adriana also… you know, Adriana’s another teacher that I think we’re going to be working with in the future. She’s, you know, she has also lots of online courses. So, you know, so I recommend that you, yeah, that you… You know, for me like, you know, if you’re learning, like, I don’t care if you’re watching my stuff or your stuff. I… you know, if you’re learning then I’m happy. I’m a happy man.

Pete: Exactly. And that’s the whole point that we’re networking, right? Like it’s… you just spread the love, let people find everyone, and find the best way for themselves to learn whether it’s with YouTube, Facebook, different teachers, whatever.

Christian:Yeah exactly. And also, you know, guys, don’t forget that the Internet isn’t the only place. You know, I would actually prefer for you to get off YouTube and, you know, go out and have a conversation. That for me, that makes me even happier. It’s not great for business, but it makes me happy.

Pete: And then get back on the internet and tell me how the conversation went.

Christian:Exactly. Exactly. Exactly.

Pete: Awesome dude. Well, thank you so much for joining me today, and hopefully we can do this again soon.

Christian:Yeah, no, look, I’m looking forward to working with you, and I’m excited about the projects we’ve been talking about. So, yeah, it’s great. Thank you so much for your time.

Pete: Oh man. Total pleasure. Total pleasure. Thank you, dude.

Australia raven, Corvus coronoides, calling.

So, that’s today’s interview, guys. I hope you enjoyed it. There should be a great deal of little gems in there for you to go through and pull out, and apply to your own English learning adventure, your own English learning story. So, yeah, think about how you can apply a lot of the advice that Christian gave in this episode to you in your English every day, learning English, whatever it is. Let’s just take it to the next level, guys, and keep improving. Aside from that, obviously make sure that you check out Canguro English’s YouTube channel, go to his website, make sure you jump on Canguro English’s Facebook page, and join his group, guys. Just like the Aussie English Virtual Classroom group on Facebook, Canguro English has a group where you guys can join up, he answers your questions, you can submit videos practicing your English. All the good stuff like that, guys. But just be engaged, use your English, have a conversation, meet people, and take it to the next level. Anyway, that’s enough for today, guys. Thank you so much again Christian for joining me in this episode. I hope you guys enjoyed it, and I’ll chat to you soon. Peace out guys!

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