1 00:00:10,770 --> 00:00:31,105 G'day, guys! Welcome to this interview episode of the Aussie English podcast. Today, I have my special guest, one of my students Yong, who is from China and he has been working his arse off on his accent for a long time, he's been working very hard. He is in the Aussie English Classroom and has been using the Aussie English Pronunciation course, he's been going crazy in this course to level up his pronunciation. 2 00:00:37,273 --> 00:01:06,499 So, today I thought that I would get him on, so that he can talk about his experience coming to Australia, he can talk about learning the accent, learning slang, expressions, fitting in, because he's been here now for a good slog. He's been here for a good chunk of time, I think 15 years, but yeah, he's been working his butt off. It's a really good interview, I think you'll get a lot out of it and also I want to announce that if you guys would like the Australian Pronunciation course, you can now buy that separately, ok? 3 00:01:07,930 --> 00:01:34,090 So, if you are just interested in working on your Australian English, learning how to pronounce the 20 different vowels in English, the 26 different consonants in English, as well as go through exercises, learn the IPA, the International Phonetic Alphabet, and also have minimal pair exercises where you can learn those tricky different sounds that are very close, very close to one another, right? Like sheep and ship. 4 00:01:35,010 --> 00:01:52,486 Make sure that you sign up for the Aussie English Pronunciation course. If you're in the Aussie English Classroom, though, you already have access to this course, at least for now. Things are going to change in the future for new members, but if you want access to this course, click the link that I will provide and you can sign up for it. 5 00:01:52,870 --> 00:01:56,049 Anyway. Let's get into this episode. Yong, take it away. 6 00:02:01,352 --> 00:02:15,717 G'day, guys! Welcome to this episode of Aussie English. Today, I have special guest, Yong on the podcast. Young is from China, do you want to give us, I guess give us a bit of an intro, tell us your story, Youg. How did you end up in Australia with such a good Australian accent too? 7 00:02:16,640 --> 00:03:01,347 Well, Hi everyone. My name is Yong, I'm from China. I've been here for probably 14 years. Thanks Peter for inviting me, basically I think I'm here to share my experience, although I hope that it can be helpful, but again I don't know. Basically I did my study back in China and I came here about probably 14 years ago, I did at PhD in Monash and basically I found, when I first came, I'm pretty much daunting about how much I couldn't understand the English, because we learned the United States accent a bit more and then I first came, I was like 'what's going on here? Are you talking in English or not?' 8 00:03:01,900 --> 00:03:14,311 What made you decide to come to Australia, out of all the different, so you had like Canada, America, Britain to choose from? At the time was there a big emphasis on Australia being closer and a much better choice because of that or? 9 00:03:14,920 --> 00:03:37,260 Yes. Sorry, I was a bit sidetracked. Because I was doing my masters degree and then my supervisor had a good relationship with some guy here and then the guy in here wanted a PhD student and then I was recommended, that's what happened. Basically, it followed the trend other than anything was planned. 10 00:03:38,020 --> 00:03:45,799 And, sowhat was it like when you first got here? Was there a big culture shock and language shock and everything like that? What was the experience like? 11 00:03:46,480 --> 00:04:17,470 I think cultural wise was ok, because we watch a lot, you know, movies from the United States, from Australia. So, I think the main language, because we were learning English pretty much for 10 or 20 years, and I thought that to be ok, but that one is came because we had a seminar. I remember the first exactly day on the afternoon, I just fresh off the boat, as you may say, and I was there and couldn't hardly understand probably 10 percent. I was actually so shocked. 12 00:04:18,579 --> 00:04:22,659 What was the difficult part? Was it just the pronunciation or the slang, the expressions? 13 00:04:23,200 --> 00:04:47,230 I didn't know back then, but now I think because the contractions. The linking as well, because in Chinese if you're going to learn a word or a sentence, as long as you know how to pronounce every single word, you put them together and that's it, but in English you're then linking everything together, and sometimes like three words sound like one word, and now that make you lost, if you know what I mean. Like, what's going on? 14 00:04:48,430 --> 00:05:00,842 So, did you have to pay attention to that and try and actively learn that or was that just something that came with time? The more exposure that you had, the more you sort of got your head around that you could understand when people were contracting things. 15 00:05:02,210 --> 00:05:14,215 I guess half and half, I would say. Because I my wife is Chinese as well, so we don't really speak any English, plus she's not a native speaker. If I had someone who is with me was a native speaker, I reckon I could have picked up a bit quicker. 16 00:05:15,778 --> 00:05:16,778 Yeah. 17 00:05:17,610 --> 00:05:36,399 I think I, since I started this lesson with you, I started pick up a lot because no one has explained to me what's going on here. It's a bit slow if you go with a natural course, but I reckon if you could get someone to teach you, especially the best ways to get to a native speaker partner, I think that's possible. 18 00:05:37,064 --> 00:05:56,494 Definitely, well, that's and that's what we've been doing, obviously, in lessons. Because it's hard when you're trying to learn, you know, and you don't have someone there to point out each time you should be linking words or not. But have you noticed that helping, as soon as you sort of had those things pointed out, did that really help you be able to hear it when other people are using it? 19 00:05:57,440 --> 00:06:11,119 Now I can pick 'oh, that's how they say it', but before I could understand, but when I was speaking the same sense I couldn't do it. When you say it, I could get it, but again I can't just the copy it. 20 00:06:12,280 --> 00:06:19,251 So, whereabouts in Australia did you move to and how did you choose which city or the, oh sorry, it was chosen for you, right? If you had to do the PhD here. 21 00:06:20,890 --> 00:06:27,439 Yeah, basically everything was set up, so I just came to Melbourne after Monash University, I started over there. 22 00:06:28,760 --> 00:06:35,529 And how how did you find it? When you got here what was it like? How would you compare it to where you'd come from in China? 23 00:06:39,060 --> 00:06:59,829 I guess it's a lovely city, the people are certainly nice and also tolerant because, you know, in my language that wasn't great, but the people were so support it, everyone would slow down when they talked to me, also because I showed an interesting in aussie accent, so they teach me actually how to say it properly and that's great. 24 00:07:00,100 --> 00:07:09,040 The people here are lovely, the culture is great. I think that's why people come to Australia, because that's this is a great city, a great country, got great people. 25 00:07:10,959 --> 00:07:27,899 So, what advice would you have for Chinese people if they were to arrive tomorrow saying that they are finding the language difficult too? Having gone through it yourself, what sort of advice would you give them if they came to you and said 'Yong I'm having trouble with the accent, I'm having trouble with the slang, what should I do?'. 26 00:07:29,040 --> 00:08:10,339 There is no easy way to do it, which I didn't know. I thought I would pick up very quickly, but actually no easy way, you can you can get better other than practice expose yourself to the native speakers and watch news. I got a guy, I knew a guy who's from South Korea. He my co PhD student and he was here probably a couple more years than I was back then, he was speaking fluently, I just asking how he get to where you are now in terms of your language and he told me basically watch the news every day, also talk to native speakers as well. Basically, and you have to practice as well. 27 00:08:12,440 --> 00:08:13,440 No, you go, you go, keep going. 28 00:08:14,630 --> 00:08:33,128 I do know a lot Chinese people, they can understand with no problem, but when they talk, that's a very thick accent. I'm still having accent, but the accent isn't much thicker, I think they just don't pay attention to what they say or what the way you say. It's just come out naturally. 29 00:08:33,179 --> 00:09:02,150 It's difficult, though, right too? I guess too, once you're at the stage where you can communicate relatively well, 90% of the time you kind of don't need to work your ass off the same way to be able to get, you know, to improve and it also requires even more work, right? Like that last little per cent which we're working on now with your accent and pronunciation that the smallest last little, you know, 5% is often the hardest to squeeze out of the bottle, right? It's the last 5% of the tomato sauce bottle. 30 00:09:02,780 --> 00:09:25,450 Yeah, I guess, you can if you have the motivation to push yourself a bit more. Otherwise, you could be leading comfortably because you can speak, you can understand, you have no problem to communicate, but really up to yourself, you want to speak properly, you know, and sound a bit like proper English speakers. I reckon you still need put in a lot of work. 31 00:09:26,000 --> 00:09:57,417 I think that's it. You have to see it as a journey that keeps going. I don't think it sort of ends. You don't think ok, I'll study hard for three months and then we'll be done, you know? I'll be a native speaker and whatever language. You have to think this is going to be an ongoing process, even me with pronunciation in French, which I've studied since I was 13, it's something that I have to keep paying attention to and practicing French pronunciation and every time I get something wrong take a note, sit down and be like alright, I'll practice this sound again, it's an ongoing thing, right? 32 00:09:57,990 --> 00:10:27,919 And do you find it is it even harder for you as a Chinese person who's come to Melbourne, because there are so many Chinese people in Melbourne, do you want to talk about what that was like? Because you probably got here when, obviously, there was a lot fewer Chinese people then than today. So, do you want to talk about how that's changed and also what it's like trying to improve your English when so many of your own compatriots, people from your own country, live in the city where you're trying to sort of thrive, right? 33 00:10:28,540 --> 00:11:08,239 Again, that's really hard and I think if you only, you know, hang out with your own friends basically from your own country, you won't get through it at all. I know a couple of girls, they were really smart, they, you know, they get some foreign like Aussie friends, like a boyfriend, their English was so much better, so much improved after half a year, you say 'oh this girl is talking in native aussie accent', but for us or someone else who's only stay with your own friends from the same country, you really don't get any any way to improve at all. 34 00:11:08,750 --> 00:11:33,905 So, did you have to at the time worry about ok, I'm not going to try and spend too much time with other Chinese people because my English is going to suffer, my cultural integration here if I'm planning to live here permanently is going to suffer, if if as soon as I jump off the boat, land in Australia I find, you know, it's easier to hang out with other Chinese people and just make that my social network? Did you have to pay attention to that or was it just something that naturally happened? 35 00:11:34,180 --> 00:11:59,509 I think that's up to your personality. If you are someone who like to know new people, you can make more friends. You wouldn't have any trouble. Again, you still can hang out with your own friends after work, but during the work you still got aussie friends and you can hang out with them, go out for lunch, talk to them about everything and then slowly you still can pick up a bit of English, but it does take a long time, to be honest. 36 00:12:00,410 --> 00:12:20,817 Is it weird? Are there those two kinds of Chinese people you meet in Melbourne too, where you have the hardworking immigrant who's come here and wants to stay here and then you have the student who's come for the degree and then is planning to go home and, so they have two different kind of views of what they're going to do when they get here, right? 37 00:12:20,960 --> 00:12:52,378 You'll have the the one person who's planning to live here forever, obviously, trying to really fit in and learn English and then at least I found when I was at uni there was a lot of Chinese students who just kind of wanted to get the degree and then go home and, so they weren't in much of they were like 'I don't really want to worry too much about you know getting integrated or making a lot of Australian friends because I'm planning to leave after a few years', which makes sense, but do you find it difficult to sort of get along with those other kinds of, I guess, migrants here in Australia? 38 00:12:55,840 --> 00:13:29,450 Not particularly, but I guess in the meantime if you're going to make friends, you guys are going to have something in common to share. If you are interested in English, someone else say 'don't worry about it! You are speaking good enough' and why would you bother? Why go out to have a deal or something, have you relax, but for myself like or someone else who would like to learn to be it's get a bit better. I think you meet always some people who you are alike, if you know what I mean. But I guess I didn't really think about that way, but I don't think I had any trouble to see or meet any friends like Chinese, if that answers your question. 39 00:13:32,310 --> 00:14:03,817 That's the sort of criticism I get at least from the other side, right? Where a lot of, especially Chinese people that I've met at university, they would say 'it's so hard to meet Australians here, it's so hard to make Australian friends', and I would ask them all 'what are you doing?'. You know, like in terms of socializing, what do you actually do? And they would say 'I come to uni and hang out with my other Chinese friends, speak Chinese or speak Mandarin or whatever it is, Cantonese', and I'm like well, clearly then it's hard for Australians to sort of insert themselves into that into that environment, so the onus is on you, right? 40 00:14:05,214 --> 00:14:26,006 Like if you want to get Australian friends, you can't wait for them to come and find you, right? You kind of have to go and find them. So, what did you do in order to do that? Were there specific activities that you took up or places you went or things you did that really helped you, you know, establish a better social circle once you were here? 41 00:14:26,870 --> 00:15:17,270 Yeah, I guess I was a bit lucky, because I was doing PhD, basically the lab place, I'm sure you've got a similar experience, it's not the classroom place. Yeah, basically we do have a lot of interaction with people doing the work. Also, we didn't have much Chinese students back then. I had to push myself to talk to Aussies. Also, you have to go out hang out with them, because our culture is different. If you want to meet your friends, which who have a different background you may have to do the things they would be interested in. You can't get them to come out to your way, like doing whatever you would enjoy, which doesn't work that way. 42 00:15:18,600 --> 00:15:26,900 It's almost like dating, right? As a man. If you go out, it's like you can't just wait for the women to come up to you, you have to walk up to them and say how's it going? You know, where are you from? What do you do? 43 00:15:28,640 --> 00:15:54,679 And in the meantime, I guess, that's a good way to learn your culture as well to see what are the guys doing out of work and what they talk about. And I remember this time when I first came in during the lunch we, you know, we have a lunch table 'you guys are talking about something I don't know', I didn't know, I was like 'what are they talking about?'. So there's and new words, new vocabs, what's going on? I was like totally lost. (?) fake my laugh sometimes 'oh yeah, yeah, that's interesting', actually I didn't get it. 44 00:15:55,352 --> 00:16:26,285 It's funny because for us, I mean, I'm sure did you think at the time too it's really awkward? Like, I don't want to ask what does this mean? What does this mean? What does this mean? All the time, but for us, at least, quite often it was always sort of like a pleasure when people show an interest in the culture or the language or that sort of stuff or they get lost in a conversation, because we're talking about footy or whatever. It tends to be sort of like 'oh yeah, we get to tell someone and share this with them', right? So, did you find that you had a good reaction from people when you would be in those situations? How did you deal with those situations? 45 00:16:27,020 --> 00:17:03,951 I guess, I was like... What do you say to people? I felt embarrassed to ask you guys everything 'oh, what that word is?, What that word is?', but in the meantime you guys are really, really helpful like you said, whenever I'm going to ask them any question, they slow down, they explain to me what's the background or what are you talking about. But you're still with a feeling, you know, you stop the conversation because everything flows really well, and than you're like 'sorry, guys! I didn't get it!'. They look at you, not like an idiot, but 'oh, this guy doesn't know what we're talking about'. I think it can happen a bit, but not all the time, if you know what I mean. 46 00:17:05,261 --> 00:17:13,347 You have to sort of balance it, right? Because if you're doing that all the time you might irritate people, but if you never do it, you're just going to be sitting on the outside never learning or picking anything up, right? 47 00:17:14,240 --> 00:17:31,925 I think I was basically just asking anything really critical, in the meantime I probably got another 80%, if you know what I mean. If I got nothing, like I only got 20% I just didn't bother to ask, because that's going to take too much for them to explain to me, But if already got 80% or something I can ask a little bit. 48 00:17:33,170 --> 00:17:46,937 Did you have any interesting experiences with learning slang in Australia, where you either heard a word for a long time and then it only clicked later what it was or that you used a word and people reacted in a different way than you were expecting? 49 00:17:47,070 --> 00:17:57,068 Yeah, a lot! And I think I showed them my interests in all the slangs, and a guy bought me a book, I think we have the Christmas Kringles. Is that right? 50 00:18:00,290 --> 00:18:07,009 Kris Kringle, yeah. Kris Kringle, where everyone buys a present for someone else that they draw out of a hat the name of that person at work. 51 00:18:07,860 --> 00:18:15,822 Yeah, I got a book, which is that 'All the Slang' because I showed interest. I read through everything, but I think most of them you guys don't talk about anymore. 52 00:18:17,840 --> 00:18:38,269 That's the difficulty with those books. Quite a lot of those slang books tend to be... I think the people who publish the newest book get the old book and just copy and paste it and add a few new things. So, it's been, you know, they've been using the old words since the eighteen hundreds or whatever and, so there's some stuff in there, but did you end up learning a lot of Australian slang? 53 00:18:39,280 --> 00:18:41,915 I learned a fair bit, yeah, but some bad ones I won't say that here. . 54 00:18:44,980 --> 00:18:50,079 You tell me after the podcast episode. What good ones did you learn and what was it like using them? 55 00:18:50,750 --> 00:18:54,112 I think one of them was 'build a bridge and get over it'. 56 00:18:54,710 --> 00:18:55,710 That's a good expression. 57 00:18:55,870 --> 00:19:07,013 Yeah. Because some guy just I think we had a guy who's got Taiwanese background, he was bit funny in a way, I'm not saying he's a bad person, but I think he's easily get upset. 58 00:19:08,250 --> 00:19:09,620 Do you mean with other Chinese people? 59 00:19:09,850 --> 00:19:25,890 Yeah, with everyone else, basically. And some guy just came out saying that 'build bridges and get over it', I was like what does that mean, and he explained to me, I got it. Build a bridge and get over it. 60 00:19:26,420 --> 00:19:28,356 It's sort of like get past your problems, right? Let it go. 61 00:19:29,771 --> 00:19:33,860 Let it go, yeah, leave it. That's one of them. 62 00:19:34,400 --> 00:19:36,885 And do you use many other words things like 'arvo' and 'barbie' and those sorts of things? 63 00:19:37,471 --> 00:19:55,094 Yes, I still remember the first time my co student said 'when are you going these arvo?' I said 'what is arvo? What is it?' He said 'afternoon!'. And now I know you guys normally put a O after a lot of things, like servo, arvo. 64 00:19:57,100 --> 00:20:03,766 Yeah, it was just a matter of learning the patterns and then you can kind of infer what they're talking about, right? 65 00:20:04,160 --> 00:20:18,811 If you know one and you know oh this guy, and you guys talking adding a E after like... Even the name Yong, they call me 'Yongy' and anything like that, it sound like really friendly and close. 66 00:20:18,950 --> 00:20:38,089 Well, that's something worth talking about too. If you get a nickname in Australia it's a very cultural thing where it means that you're sort of being embraced by people.That's a very friendly thing as you say. So, yeah, if anyone ever gives you a nickname, obviously, if it's not a rude nickname, if it's your name with an extra vowel or something like 'Peto' or 'Petey' then you know that it's because you're being embraced. 67 00:20:38,540 --> 00:21:04,039 Yeah, I like it when they called me Yongy, I felt really welcomed, but it's funny, you have to be careful. I remember one day, I know a guy whose name is Peter, we Peter, we normally called him 'Pete', because that's like close. I saw the other guy was proper academic, and I don't know why I called him 'Pete' and he wouldn't be upset. 68 00:21:04,520 --> 00:21:05,269 Really? 69 00:21:05,270 --> 00:21:06,270 Yeah he's like 'call me Peter, not Pete'. 70 00:21:07,730 --> 00:21:26,450 Yeah, sometimes that happens, I think, with the older generation. They'll be a little bit more, especially in those kinds of jobs where there's a bit more of a hierarchy, so I think yeah, generally with shortening people's names you'll do it when you know them and you hear other people doing it, but yeah, but that's funny those sorts of lessons are important, right? Because how else you learn those things? 71 00:21:26,990 --> 00:21:31,210 Yeah, probably I didn't know him really well, I don't know how I called him 'Pete'. 72 00:21:32,420 --> 00:21:36,928 Well, if you're used to calling everyone you meet who's called 'Peter', you know, 'Pete' ... 73 00:21:36,972 --> 00:21:45,140 Just came out from my mouth without being noticed then that he was a bit... he wasn't upset, he just said 'no, call me Peter, not Pete'. 74 00:21:45,740 --> 00:21:51,113 Sometimes people are just weird too and they don't like short names, so they'll always be like, you know, just call me Christopher, not Chris. 75 00:21:53,450 --> 00:22:05,150 And he was proper, you know, academic and he's like mid 50s or something. Probably he's not used to these short name, probably not showing enough respect. Yeah, that's fine. 76 00:22:05,720 --> 00:22:18,979 So, how does it feel today, Yong, compared to when you first got here? How have you changed as a person? Have you found that you've changed as a result of being exposed to Australian culture or through learning English or anything like that? 77 00:22:20,920 --> 00:22:46,769 Yeah. One of my friends said that someone like us who's been overseas for 10 or 15 years, but who still expand on the 15 year also back in their own country, we kind of lost our root. Because we are kind of not like the people who's been backing their own country for 30 years and also we're not like you guys because you guys are born here. So, kind of we are in the middle. 78 00:22:46,860 --> 00:22:50,970 Sort of on the fence, right? You got one foot on each side of the fence. 79 00:22:51,430 --> 00:23:12,004 It's a bit of a funny position sometimes when I go back to my hometown, I had a different opinion about certain things from them, which is understandable and back in here I still would have something different as well, like different views because that's how I put myself, probably just over the fence, you know, one leg on one side. 80 00:23:13,761 --> 00:23:14,761 How often are you going home? 81 00:23:15,545 --> 00:23:16,619 Probably once a year. 82 00:23:17,300 --> 00:23:21,660 And did you notice a slow change as you were doing that or was it a really quick thing? 83 00:23:23,720 --> 00:23:36,579 It's not quick, but it's obvious. Because whenever you go back, there's new words coming up and you don't know what have you done, it's on the Internet, very quickly coming up and I don't know what it means. 84 00:23:37,800 --> 00:23:38,099 Yeah. 85 00:23:38,100 --> 00:23:51,590 The way we, I guess, the way you're treating people are different. Because I think I'm doing probably 60 or 70% Aussie ways now, which is common in China. 86 00:23:51,650 --> 00:23:56,599 So, what? It's hard to turn that off and switch back into Chinese mode when you go home? 87 00:23:56,910 --> 00:24:09,454 Yeah I remember one one time he and the Kel talked about the calling people's name as well, you know, other than, you know, fully... If you want to show you respect you can't call the name, but I do, even when I'm going back to China because I just forgot. 88 00:24:12,587 --> 00:24:13,910 You mean their first names? 89 00:24:14,101 --> 00:24:18,679 Yeah. People got offended sometimes, which is understandable. 90 00:24:20,180 --> 00:24:25,309 That must be hard, right? Especially when it's such a deep cultural thing on both sides. 91 00:24:26,300 --> 00:24:38,413 Also, we call 'you' in Chinese we have two different words. One is simple 'you'. The other one is slightly different, but it shows a lot respect. People use the other like a 'nin'. 92 00:24:39,410 --> 00:24:42,886 Yeah. So, you got 'ni' then 'nin' with the N on the end, right? 93 00:24:44,510 --> 00:24:57,579 'Nin' is more more respectful, but I just can't be bothered to use it. You know, I probably have been here for too long, but people do get offended, like 'this guy is just so rude'. 94 00:24:58,280 --> 00:25:02,690 Do they think that you're being arrogant if you do that sort of thing like you see youself above those people? 95 00:25:03,170 --> 00:25:20,331 Yeah. We had a kind of meeting with the Chinese Embassy a couple of days, a couple of years ago, And I think just after I finished my PhD. And the I didn't use this proper 'nin', I could see the we called them, you know, official... 96 00:25:25,240 --> 00:25:26,740 How dare you not respect me? 97 00:25:27,140 --> 00:25:31,180 Yeah. like 'what are you doing?' I've got to get a new name and talk to you later. 98 00:25:31,230 --> 00:26:02,150 So, that was that's something very difficult to get used to? Because I know that a lot of students when they get here, they they didn't realize how casual Australians are and how much we hate formality, compared to even Britain, which we're pretty culturally similar to, but we hate the class differences. So, quite often you'll have people who are in the upper class, you know, say on an amazing wage and academic, for example, who will quite often be like still using slang, using first names, wanting you to use their first name. 99 00:26:02,180 --> 00:26:17,444 So, like my supervisors, always, at university had me use their first names. Sometimes their nicknames. They would never get me to call them, you know, Doctor, Dr. Smissen, you know? Or anything like that, they would be like 'oh, that's uncomfortable'. So, was that really weird to get used to? 100 00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:30,873 Very weird. It took me, and I would say, it took me nearly an year to get over it, because I just thought that's just so rude to call someone's name, who is actually more senior, but later on... 101 00:26:33,710 --> 00:26:56,285 It's difficult, right? Though, because if you do it, you kind of hold yourself out outside of the group, right? If you can't match the formality or informality of that group you kind of either seem to be weird or really rude, right? So it was there there a certain thing or anything like a certain piece of advice you would have in order to get over that do you just dive in? 102 00:26:57,140 --> 00:27:06,786 I guess you just watch for other people like what they do and then also you could talk to some close friend ask is this ok if I do this or not? 103 00:27:06,950 --> 00:27:07,489 Yes. 104 00:27:07,490 --> 00:27:14,630 I guess, to get some advice from local people, because you probably don't know when you first came in. Yeah, which is very common. 105 00:27:15,910 --> 00:27:19,372 Exactly. And, so finishing up, have you done much travel around Australia? 106 00:27:20,550 --> 00:27:31,043 I have. I've been to South Australia, I've been to Cairns, I've been to Sydney, but mainly work related and (?) holiday as well. 107 00:27:34,110 --> 00:27:39,015 How do you find them? What was the difference between somewhere like South Australia and Cairns? 108 00:27:41,130 --> 00:27:56,579 South Australia I think is more classic, formal. How do you put it? Like, not laid back and you said laid back , but Queensland or Cairns like a more laid back people, they don't really care much, very easy going. 109 00:27:57,150 --> 00:27:58,150 Could be related to the temperature, right? 110 00:27:59,460 --> 00:28:16,039 But South is really more proper, you know, culture wise is very conservative as well. People are really nice, really nice, but proper, properly presented, talk to you properly, other than, you know, like mates like 'how are you going, mate?'. 111 00:28:17,570 --> 00:28:20,907 So, you had that happen in Cairns, did you? You hada lot of this ' how's it going?' 112 00:28:22,080 --> 00:28:33,539 Yeah, yeah. 'How's it going? How's it going?' And then also I watch the news as well. I think some guys from Queensland are more talking in a strong Australian accent. 113 00:28:36,150 --> 00:29:25,259 I think it's partly, I reckon, it must be because there's a lot more...what would you say? Rurality, right? So, there is a lot more countryside, the biggest city is Brisbane, which is pretty much in the lower southeast corner of that entire state. And then the rest of it is just small towns with, you know, maybe fifty thousand people max and, so I think a lot of them end up growing up in the country or far from the city and, so that kind of a strong Australian accent gets reinforced quite a lot, whereas mine, I think, dropped off when I went to Melbourne to go to university, because all of a sudden you're surrounded with foreigners, you're surrounded with, you know, formal situations and, so you kind of have to make your accent a bit more cultivated compared to 'how's it going?' Yeah! Give us a shrimp!'. 114 00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:28,730 Yeah. Did you have this kind of accent before you...? 115 00:29:29,120 --> 00:30:22,609 I don't think it was too strong, but it was definitely stronger and I think I used more slang, because... I think it's kind of the opposite, right? Of you coming to Australia and having to learn the slang to fit in because you want conversations to go effortlessly, I think it was the same for me in the other direction, where all of a sudden I came from a town where it's probably 99.9 Aussie born Anglo Saxons and then I came to Melbourne where it's probably, you know, what? 40 per cent less Anglo Saxons and everyone there, the majority of people speak another language as their first language, so you have to... You can't just go, you know, 'how's it going, guys! Want to go to a barbie this arvo?' with everyone you meet in the street, because every single time you'd have to be like, ok 'how's it going, guys? Would you like to go to a barbecue this afternoon?'. And, so I think you have to tone it down. You have to kind of, you know, find that middle ground because you don't want to repeat yourself all the time, right? 116 00:30:24,820 --> 00:30:39,942 Yeah, because of work sometimes I go to the rural areas. I found those people down there not getting used to the foreign accent much, because you have to like like us, like foreigners we have to speak slowly, but in Melbourne, you guys getting used to it. You can understand it. 117 00:30:41,250 --> 00:31:17,965 I think that's what it is all about, right? You're around those people, the people you're around all the time, you know, you get used to and, so that's with Melbourne, yeah it is funny, it'd be interesting to measure the average, you know, native born Australian in Melbourne and their capacity to understand foreign accents, because like for instance the Indian accent is really difficult to understand. If someone has a very thick Indian accent, but I think again from living in Melbourne for a long time I'm pretty good with it now and I can't imagine if you put someone like that in the middle of outback Queensland, people would be like 'I've never come across this accent and I have no idea what he's saying'. 118 00:31:18,360 --> 00:31:21,342 Yeah. Just like when I first came to Australia, I guess. 119 00:31:22,410 --> 00:31:31,519 It's not easy, but where would you live? If you could live anywhere in Australia, you weren't tied down to say Melbourne and a career here, where would you decide to live? 120 00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:49,770 I think we like Melbourne a lot, but I guess in the future we still open to other options as well, against mainly for... probably for the kids and possibly our jobs. You know, if we find a job in some other places, I wouldn't say no, but I would stay here, I reckon I'll stay in Melbourne, it's a great city, you got everything. 121 00:31:50,370 --> 00:31:54,469 How does it compare to say Beijing or Shanghai or Hong Kong? 122 00:31:55,850 --> 00:32:37,369 I think back in China, because of the population wise, we are really well service... you know, like you could go out any anytime, you can get anything you want. Like, the first time, when I first came on Saturday or Sunday nothing opened. After 8 o'clock, the city is dead. But here now it's getting better because there's so many immigrants and everything open up until late, but back then you might remember on Saturday on Sunday when we were driving on the Springvale Road, there's hardly any car, but now it's like fully parked even on Saturday, Sunday. That's how much changed for the last 10 years. 123 00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:43,202 Crazy. Alright, Yong, thank you so much again for coming on the podcast, I really appreciate it, mate. 124 00:32:43,730 --> 00:32:44,730 My pleasure. 125 00:32:44,990 --> 00:32:47,834 I'll get you on again in another 15 years and ask you how it's changed. 126 00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:50,091 Hopefully, I can speak as good as you are. 127 00:32:52,490 --> 00:32:54,109 Just keep at it, you're doing well, but thanks again. 128 00:32:54,590 --> 00:32:56,119 Thank you Peter. Talk to you later. 129 00:33:02,840 --> 00:33:23,180 Alright, guys! Thank you so much for joining me today, I hope you got a lot out of that, I hope you learned a whole bunch, especially those of you who are Chinese migrants or students working in Australia and you needed a little bit of motivation and to hear what it's like for someone who has been in Australia now for 15 years. It was an awesome experience to be able to talk to Yong. 130 00:33:24,050 --> 00:33:51,125 Don't forget too, guys! If you want to work on your Australian pronunciation, so you want to be able to understand Australians when they speak English or maybe two you want to get an Australian accent, you want to pronounce things the way that Australians do, sign up for the Australian English Pronunciation course, ok? There'll be a link in the transcript or you can find it on the website www.AussieEnglish.com.au under 'courses', the Australian Pronunciation course. 131 00:33:51,770 --> 00:34:00,840 And if you're already in the Aussie English Classroom, you've already got access to it. So, anyway thanks for joining me, guys. It's a pleasure as always and I'll chat to you soon. Peace!